A conversation on the nature of pain and suffering. Psychiatrist, Dr Andrew Powell, suggests that both pain and suffering are a catalyst for personal and emotional growth; they can develop compassion and lead to spiritual growth and therefore be valuable experience. Spiritual leader, Dadi Janki, shares that by becoming attuned to spiritual knowledge and staying in the present, suffering is unnecessary; it can be eliminated or removed through understanding. We have a choice in how we live life. Suffering she says is optional!